Not surprisingly, my most recent post got a lot of comments. Also not surprisingly, they came in two varieties. I wanted to respond to them promptly. Here’s the first counter.
“Sorry, but you kill that many innocents and basically give a unilateral finger to the world for that long people are gonna be pissed…”
Full comment and response after the cut.
Eight years of Bush was enough to make anybody unAmerican. Sorry, but you kill that many innocents and basically give a unilateral finger to the world for that long people are gonna be pissed (the great lie that was the Iraq war, Afghanistan and blind support for Israel basically pissed off 1.57 billion people who call their god “Allah.”
The world is still healing, even now as that great country of yours is fighting those two oil-wars that they will never win.
But yes, it’s also foolish to judge Americans by the actions of their leaders, but thats how people are. I lived in Boston, New Orleans and spent some time in NYC and chilled, drank, argued, loved and worked with you Yanks. Great times. I have impression that American, Canadians, Muslims in Turkey and all the people in all the countries you named just want to live their lives, have a little fun, love and nurture their families and friends.
To say: “So yeah, our country killed and exploited millions of people but why the hate?” will probably make most thinking people hate you more. It’s like a fat guy complaining to skinny dude how hungry he is (big mac in hand).
Some might sympathize with you, some might not. There are worse things, though…much worse…
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Thanks for the comment, although the way you reconstruct my argument in your last paragraph is not only a ridiculous straw-man, but almost seems like an attempt at intimidation. Let’s try and talk about the previous paragraph, because it’s far more productive and doesn’t suggest that I am fat, stupid or deserve to have violence served against me for my opinions.
Few countries have had to bear the burden of hegemony, and history shows that it’s incredibly difficult. Americans were deceived by their leaders in that “great lie” you speak of in the way so many other countries have been and continue to be deceived by theirs. These countries, however (including the four I’ve had my experiences living in), prefer to shout down US imperialism over letting dissent and dissatisfaction foment within their own borders. Foreign enemies are domestic pacifiers.
But let’s avoid politics because it’s a red herring, and you’ve clearly misconstrued my frustration.
Like you say, most people just want to live a good life and keep their hands clean. This seems true everywhere I’ve been, although the context for their lives and the limitations on their dreams have been drastically different. The problem I am dealing with is why this fact escapes some people when I tell them I’m American. Frankly, “that’s how people are,” just doesn’t do it for me. I want to be responsible for my opinions about people from around the world, and I expect you to be as well.
Don’t judge someone before they open their mouth. Period. Or if you do (I’ll admit that I do a lot), at least do your best to be listen and understand the choices they’ve made, or not made, to become who they are. What frustrates me in your argument is that you seem to suggest that this is my job, and that I should be fine with coming across anyone that fails to do the same themselves.
Take the Sofia hipsters for instance, who I felt were too caught up in moralizing solipsism to learn a few things about me and the people that I love. First, I campaigned for every presidential candidate opposing Bush and voted in every major election against the very course of action that I have been judged for. Second, I am traveling, like so many, to learn more about the world I live in and the people that live in it with me. Third, I have been working for over a year to build a travel network in order to educate my countrymen about these very things so we can avoid such things in the future.
So when you say it’s “just how people are”, I feel so disappointed. I am not simply content to expect understanding and open-mindedness from myself– I want to expect it from others as well.
So please don’t tell me not to get frustrated when I find closed-minded ignorance instead of an effort to understand others, because that’s what got us here in the first place.
“I campaigned for every presidential candidate opposing Bush and voted in every major election against the very course of action that I have been judged for.”
This is one of the many reasons why it is immoral for people to assume they can choose rulers and leaders for other people simply because the former has a large enough mob.
Democracy is like three wolves and two sheep voting on what to have for dinner.
Such frustration is also a good opportunity to explore the nature of the ballot box as a suggestion box for slaves. Regardless of the outcome, you will own nothing — not even yourself, because the collectivist process itself presupposes your submission to a larger collective.
Don’t believe me? Try taking a medicine or drug not approved by the central planners. You may quickly find yourself in a cage. The same cage which will be your destination if you presume to actually own any land outright and cease paying your property taxes (i.e. rent) to the same central planners who feed like parasites on the productive achievement of others, depending only upon the submission of those over whom they rule. The income tax follows the same order of events: anyone who supposes to own themselves and the fruits of their labor and fails to pay their overlords will quickly find their way into a cage as well.
It takes a special kind of narcissistic, sociopathic megalomaniac to be a politician and not only to presume to speak for and rule over millions of strangers whom they have never met, but to go a step further and claim that what they do is in their “service,” when in reality their income derives from wealth extracted at the point of a gun, under the threat of violence and a cage.
Living in the states and holding the beliefs which I have espoused above, I hear the following a lot:
“Well if you don’t like it here, just leave!”
And go where, exactly? To another fiefdom of some other group of rulers, who may or may not have the consent of “their” mob? I think not.
Examine the psychology of someone who tells you to leave the country if you don’t like having violence threatened against you and your property taken. They are making a claim not only on your life and property, but on ALL property (and land) within the states.
Remember being compelled to sign up for the draft? I blanked-out the memory until recently. No person nor collective has the right to tell me that at the whim of the mob (or its “representatives”) that I am to go to war or be sent to a cage.
Such are the demands made upon your person and property, in varying degrees, in all forms of statist collectivism. Democracy and a republic are not exceptions to this rule. If anything, they are all the more despicable because they use, in an Orwellian fashion, the doublespeak of “liberty and freedom” to describe situations and systems which are violent, coercive, and very much the complete opposite of freedom.
see http://www.completeliberty.com & the podcast of the same name for more complete articulations of these views and their consequences.
cheers,
Dave
A libertarian buddy of mine is looking over my shoulder right now practically ejaculating on the screen. Thats some true shit. Thanks for the link